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ChewyClegnut · Apr 06, 2011, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Because using 7 heroes is inconceivable, problematic and more time consuming and trying to PUG for this is nigh impossible unless you can prove you've done over 9000 speed clears. Not to mention I mainly play on my monk, and as such are not needed in said speed clears IIRC. I think adding Dhuum to the ZB rotation would be a good way to give people who do not have the time or interest in these SC's, a fighting chance of actually defeating Dhuum and getting the title for their HoM.

oh and Hi btw GW Guru!

James Pontikka · Apr 06, 2011, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Monk can be used as t1 in tway........

IronSheik · Apr 06, 2011, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Just because dhuum is the bounty doesn't mean people will bring newbies.

When Zaishen stuff just came out and HA was in the rotation, do you think the r9+ let r0-3 in? Nope.

Cuilan · Apr 06, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

I would love to have this since it's so rare to find a normal UW group. I don't think a large portion of players bother with that area anymore.

ChewyClegnut · Apr 06, 2011, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Just because dhuum is the bounty doesn't mean people will bring newbies.

When Zaishen stuff just came out and HA was in the rotation, do you think the r9+ let r0-3 in? Nope.

No but the ZB in itself will bring in more players who aren't into the SC scene, enough to the extent where you can actually join a group without having to meet any criteria. Trying to find a PUG in general these days is a hard task, but finding one for UW is almost impossible unless its a SC. Go to more or less any mission outpost, 99% of the time its deserted. Go back to the same mission outpost when its the ZM and guess what?

The saving grace of the zaishen challenges is that it gives people a chance to play with other people (especially if its a hard ZM/ZB/ZVQ) to form up to achieve a common goal. Admittedly, with 7 heroes most things can be facerolled in GW, but then again.. Killing Dhuum isnt your everyday HM mission.

Marverick · Apr 06, 2011, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Just make the stones untradeable.

You beat Dhuum so his summons shouldn't listen to anyone other than you.

Swingline · Apr 06, 2011, 08:07 PM // 20:07

/signed if they add menzies to FoW and make him a bounty.

Chthon · Apr 06, 2011, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by ChewyClegnut

No but the ZB in itself will bring in more players who aren't into the SC scene, enough to the extent where you can actually join a group without having to meet any criteria.

And those groups will all fail. There's just too many "oops, I didn't know that was going to happen" aspects to UW to handle without at least most of your team knowing what's going to happen in advance. Everything from "UWG+Escort = fail" to "suprise! starburst flank!" in Pits to "1->3->6->9" in Planes is a potential stumbling block. Maybe your experienced members can explain it well enough to the others -- if everyone has good communication skills, no one's hiding the fact that they don't know what's going on, and no one leaves when they find out that the others don't know what's going on. And maybe not. And, of course, if your team has no experienced members, then you're just SoL.

I do physway/balanced sometimes with my alliance. We'll never take more than 1 or 2 inexperienced people at a time, in non-vital roles. Any more than that tends to end badly.

I wouldn't mind having Dhuum as a ZB. I just think you need to avoid delusions that making it a ZB will suddenly enable you find a group capable of finishing.

Swingline · Apr 06, 2011, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Chthon

I wouldn't mind having Dhuum as a ZB. I just think you need to avoid delusions that making it a ZB will suddenly enable you find a group capable of finishing.

This idea would cater to guild/ally groups more than pugs. Yea, pugs suck and fail at HM elite areas 99% of the time but an all guild/ally group will have a better shot at finishing. You can always explain what to do on skype/vent and I would rather talk with ppl I know than ppl I dont know. After playing with the same ppl it will get easier to finish after 2 or 3 dhuum ZBs and if you have a noob or 2 who refuse to listen then all you have to do is boot the kid/s and find peeps in the ally that will.

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 06, 2011, 08:41 PM // 20:41

/signed if they add menzies to FoW already...its time to add something new and permanent other than a skill update to gw1

Bright Star Shine · Apr 07, 2011, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Agreed, if they make mallyx one too, and give us 9000 golden Zcoins for it..

Oh, wait, this wasn't about what I wanted, right.. Well, shouldn't be asking for non related stuff in a non related thread I guess...

Well, none of those PUG groups will most likely ever meet Dhuum face to face anyway, or if they do, they'll get bummraped, so not gonna accomplish a lot, but go ahead if you like..

WarcryOfTruth · Apr 07, 2011, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Pugs can do Underworld man, I've done it with pugs. I know of people who have done it with 7 heroes also. I think it would be cool to have Dhuum as a bounty, would give me and my friend more incentive to work on our UW thread we've been neglecting...

ChewyClegnut · Apr 07, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Yeah, I know PUGS aren't the greatest collective effort at accomplishing anything in GW and I never said it was the answer to finishing it. But adding Dhuum to the ZB rotation, gives someone like me (and perhaps many others) a chance to actually form a group and give UW a go irrelevant of the fact whether we fail or not. Any PvE area can be accomplished with PUGS, some places easier, some places are harder. For example, I recently started playing again, just before the 7 hero update and decided to fill out my HoM points. Would I have been able to complete Slavers Exile in HM on my own with h/h? Probably not. But thanks to the ZB I was able to accomplish it, with a PUG. Sure it took a few attempts to get it right, but If it wasn't for the ZB I'd still be standing in Grotto shouting LFG to an empty outpost. This isn't a comparison of difficulty to the UW. I know its a hard place, if not THE hardest. But even with PUGS there is a chance and it can't be denied.

Neith · Apr 24, 2011, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Pugs can do UW as long as the team has one or two people who know what they are doing and the team is willing to listen to the leader(s). UW is a great area to play in. it's fun, personally speaking it's the best especially since they added Dhuum..as him being a bounty? yeah I guess that would be great. But in a Non sc group you'd have to be willing to dedicate 3 hours + in order to finish it. That is in HM, NM 2 - 2 1/2 hours. And that of course is going to depend on the entire team also. But it is a fun fun area